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Re: I'm I just a small thinker? P____d!

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Hey, RHIP! 

Most active members in large national organizations are from larger firms, so they think in terms of larger firms, and the smaller firms inherently and unavoidably get shortchanged, so we just have to live with that, or maybe organizeorganize and/or grow into large firms, right?

It's sort of like laws get written, passed, and enforced in the legal system by lawyers, so -- guess what! -- they're oriented toward lawyers who can then charge multiples of engineers' fees to help anyone who unfortunately gets entrapped by that selfsame system. 

Am I p____d?  What ever gave you that idea?!


"Rank Has Its Privileges"

In a message dated 6/25/08 9:49:10 AM, d_maynard(--nospam--at) writes:
That sounds great for Halff Assoc. and other larger firms.  But, what about the one and two person offices, such as Bill Allen's original post?  He has to pay $250 for a web connection for a design example on wood frame construction that he primarily does?  If he's willing to coordinate with other small offices for one of these 1.5 hr presentations, good for him.”
[David Maynard] Furthermore, there is a logistics issue involved with getting the right technology in place to do such a thing with surrounding firms.  For example, a local professional engineering society chapter could organize something like this and get the buy in, but if you don’t have the presentation technology for this, then having everyone huddle around a 19” computer screen is kind of unpractical, no?  It sounds like I’m being a real pain, but with this day and age, a 1.5 hour presentation via webinar shouldn’t cost us this much.
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Stan Caldwell <stancaldwell(--nospam--at)> wrote:
Scott is entirely correct.  Halff Associates signs up for lunch hour
webinars of all flavors: structural, MEP, architectural, etc.  Then we
invite 60-80 employees to watch it on our 12 ft. HD screen.  We buy
lunch.  They each get a PDH.  Everybody wins, and it's all legit.


On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Scott Maxwell <
smaxwell(--nospam--at)> wrote:
> Actually, NCSEA does NOT have individual membership.  NCSEA is a association
> of associations.  Thus, when you pay membership fee as an individual you are
> paying that money to a local structural engineering organization that then
> might be a member of NCSEA.  To some this might be splitting hairs, but in
> the real "dollars and cents" sense, it is a big deal...of the $200, only
> very small portion of it goes to NCSEA in the forms of dues (it was
> something like $10 per member of the local organization at one time...might
> have increased since then, but I am confident it is not much).
> The $200 membership that you mention is a sustaining membership fee for a
> structural engineer FIRM (which could conceivably be an individual
> practicing engineer).  I am guessing that not too many firms do that and if
> they do, it is purely because they believe in supporting NCSEA, not because
> they directly get something.
> I will also note that the $250 for the seminar is the fee for one INTERNET
> connection...not one person.  It clearly states that "several people may
> attend for one connection fee."  Thus, you could have 5 people (they are
> rather unspecific as to how many "several" constitutes) sitting around the
> computer watching the webinar.  In theory, you could have a room of 30
> people sitting in front of a projector (don't know if that constitutes
> "several" or not...nor how they might deal with PDHs at least in terms of
> official documentation of them).
> Regards,
> Scott
> Adrian, MI
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Maynard [mailto:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:15 AM
> To:
> Subject: RE: I'm I just a small thinker?
> I totally agree with you, Bill.  It's a one hour webinar that is more of a
> clarification of a design example.
> In my opinion, little things like this would be great to offer for free to
> their membership.  Minimum membership fee is $200.  What do you get for that
> money?  Wouldn't the added benefit of free continuing education via webinars
> just like this be a nice addition?
> Sincerely,
> David Maynard
> Gillette, WY
> ________________________________
> From: Bill Allen [mailto:
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:24 PM
> To: Seaint
> Subject: I'm I just a small thinker?
> Or does anyone else think it is ludicrous to charge $250 for a webinar
> connection?
> I'm referring to Don't get me wrong; I think Doug
> Thompson is a fine speaker and the topic should be interesting.
> But $250 and not even a continental breakfast?
> Is it just me?
> T. William (Bill) Allen, S.E.
> Consulting Structural Engineers
>  V (949) 248-8588 • F(949) 209-2509

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