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Thanks again to Dave, and to Thor for their responses, and maybe I should be contacting one of the wood industry organizations because my questions still is: Is there actually a stamp put on lumber saying "No. 1 and Better", or does this mean that the lumber delivered to the job site will be a mixture of No. 1, Dense No. 1, and Select Structural? Thor's response sounds like this is the case. But, if all of the pieces were marked "No. 1", wouldn't this qualify for "No. 1 and Better"?
Still unsure of this,
Larry Hauer S.E.

> From: thor(--nospam--at)
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)
> Subject: Re: Doug. Fir Lumber Grades
> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:52:21 -0500
> Larry,
> My understanding of the "No. 1" and "No. 1 and Better" grades is simply that
> it's easier/more efficient to sort lumber by grade when there are fewer
> grades; e.g., sorting lumber into piles of No. 1 *and* Select Structural
> takes more skill (and then more yard space for separate stacks of lumber
> grades) than just putting all the lumber into one pile if it's at least No.
> 1 grade.
> The reward for engineers is getting slightly higher allowable stresses,
> since there are supposedly some pieces that will be better than No. 1.
> However, for specifying new lumber I wouldn't trust No. 1 and Better to
> actually be provided. I once called a lumber yard to ask what grade lumber
> they had available--the answer was "We carry 'number one construction
> grade'." Okay.... is it 'number 1', or is it 'construction'?? I've also
> specified select structural and had people complain that it cost more than
> No. 1 and the 'guy at the lumber yard' said the two grades are exactly the
> same.
> Have fun!
> Thor Matteson, SE
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