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- From: "Scott Maxwell" <smaxwell(--nospam--at)umich.edu>
- Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:43:42 -0400
Wow! Boy, must I be dense. I must thank you for providing such a clear and completely parallel example of submitting calculations to a City that gives me a better understanding of the ACI 318 creation and printing process.
Ignoring for the moment that ACI 318 is comprised of a bunch dumbass engineers, not Perfect Engineers like you (BTW, that reminds me that I should write to my State legislature to see that we change the Michigan PE Act to acknowledge that there is another type of PEs out there, aka Perfect Engineers...after all, we would not want people to get confused), I honestly cannot see how I missed it before. Obviously, the process of writing, printing, and shipping ACI 318 to you is just like you preparing calculations for a project and submitting them to a city.
Being the dumbass that I am, I mistakenly thought that ACI 318 was prepared by a large group of individuals working part-time on it over a period of years who finished their work about a year ago. I then made the error of believing that they would then print probably thousands of copies back in late 2007 or early 2008 so that it would be ready to submit to the IBC for review and final adoption in to the 2009 IBC code (I thought I had heard somewhere that ICC requires full, final print copies for consideration for adoption into their codes and those print copies must be ready by their hearings, which are usually in Feb/Mar of the adoption year). This of course could not be right as it would then mean that those printed codes would sit around almost a 9 months with potentailly thousands of people reading through them finding just about every little error (such as typos, mistakes, misprints, and other more serious mistakes) prior to them shipping a copy to you.
But, you are right. I was mistaken. ACI 318 obviously JUST finished their work a couple weeks, maybe at most a couple months, ago and ACI just got it in print shape and printed of a copy just for you, just like you would finish up calculations a few weeks or so (or less) prior to sending them to the City. And since ACI 318 and ACI staff as so inept at writting and type-setting the document, they still managed to find 4 pages worth errors in that the day or so it took them to get it ready to ship, which is impressive considering that like your calculations, they likely only had maybe a half dozen to a dozen or so pair of eyes pouring through the copy they just printed for you so that they could make the errata for you.
Thanks for pointing out what is clearing a completely parallel example. I am so stupid that I would not have otherwise spotted it.
Oh, I have to thank you for pointing out the way to becoming a Perfect Engineer. I never realized that in order to be a Perfect Engineer one had to be licensed as a Structural Engineer in four Western states. Now, I do have some questions about that, however. Do you have to be licensed as a Structural Engineer in four particular Western states or will any four Western states do? If it must be four particular states, which ones are they? And how do you define Western states? West of the Mississippi? West of the Rockies? And when you say licensed as a Structural Engineer, do you really mean that you have to have an SE license or will particing structural engineering with a PE license (that is Professional Engineer license, of course, not a Perfect Engineer license...after all, from what I am understanding from you, the Perfect Engineer license is more than just the plain ol' PE license) do (after all, not all states have SE licenses)? And while it is obviously the engineers from Eastern states are clearly inferioir, does being licensed in Eastern states get you some credit at all towards being a Perfect Engineer? Maybe being licensed in 20 Eastern states being equivalent to being licensed in one Western state? I look forward for the answers...after all, we all should strive to be a Perfect Engineer like you.
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