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I just went to the ACI 318-08 seminar yesterday, and they were handing out ACI 318-08 second edition with a short list of errata.

Wesley C. Werner


From: Garner, Robert [mailto:rgarner(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:28 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: RE: Bad Codes

Thank you for your reply, Daniel,


For reference, the ACI 318-08 that I received was the First Printing, January 2008.  The errata I received was listed as First Printing and consisted of 7 pages.


Interesting that you received the Second Printing of ACI 318?


Which printing have others received?


I am pleased to note, however, that ACI printed the following on the top of the errata, "American Concrete Institute, Now offering more value to members".



Robert (Bob) Garner


From: Daniel Popp [mailto:drp181(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:25 AM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: Re: Bad Codes



I had the same experience -- opening the 318-08 package and being greeted by a nine-page errata list.  I immediately sent it back to ACI with a polite letter explaining that as a practicing engineer, I did not have time to incorporate this excessive number of errata and that I would like a second printing when available.  After one reminder five months later, ACI did send me a second printing, which has only a few errata, none of which affect any design provisions (e.g. typos in definitions or commentary).

In my letter, I suggested that they not sell the remaining first printings, but judging from your recent experience, it appears that they might have.  AISC had the same situation with the 2005 Seismic Provisions, but they issued a recall and replaced all of the faulty versions at no charge.

Best regards,
Daniel Popp, S.E.


----- Original Message ----
From: "Garner, Robert" <rgarner(--nospam--at)>
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 4:35:08 AM
Subject: Bad Codes

I just purchased the ACI 318-08 Concrete Code.  My wife called me at work and said I had a package waiting for me.  I love getting packages.  I knew it was the new Concrete Code because I had just ordered it.  So I looked forward to coming home to break into that book and see the progress our "cement buddies" had in making the Code a much improved document, especially our own dear Appendix D, which has succeeded in creating a whole new structural discipline of engineers that specialize exclusively in the design of CONCRETE ANCHORS (caps mine to honor a subject that ACI has seen fit to make as sophisticated as the wind provisions of ASCE.)  What was the first thing I found in the package?  Placed on top of the Code book so that it stood out proudly as if claiming, "Look at me!  I am very Important!"  Yep, Code Errata!  A brand new code that isn't even accepted by code bodies and hasn't even been purchased by most practicing engineers, and there are four pages of ERRORS, whoops, excuse me, Errata.  Can't anybody get a code book published without errors?  Errata?  B.S., these are errors.  I don't care if they are the publishers' proof reader's errors or just stupidity in writing these books.  When I do structural calculations, I don't do this kind of careless work.  I submit my calcs to the City then I routinely follow up with errata?  I don't think so.  Everyone makes mistakes but the codes make them routinely and treat them as if they are just another facet of the code. 


As a Structural Engineer licensed in the four western states, I find the constant necessity of correcting codes with constant errata totally unacceptable.



Robert Garner, S.E.


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