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We work directly for the owner on 80% of the projects we do.


The other 20%, we are a sub to the architect.


Ironically enough, those are the projects that are most difficult to get

Paid on.


I wonder why?



David L. Fisher SE PE

Senior Principal


Fisher and Partners

372 West Ontario

Suite 301

Chicago 60654


312.622.0409 (m)


312.573.1726 (f)



-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Kester [mailto:akester(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:18 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: re: being the prime/ Stan



Really? If true, I am completely shocked. >From reading SE mags and my own experience, I would expect the exact opposite. Maybe 5-10% of building projects or less with the SE as the prime. I think in over 10 years of experience in Florida, the only time the company I was working for was the prime was at a A & E firm, which doesn’t qualify.


Now I have been the prime on specialty engineering and residential projects, but all very small projects.


I don’t mean civil, bridge, misc. structural projects, I mean buildings.


I applaud you working directly for the owner, I definitely think that can be a good way to do it. What types of projects are we talking about?


Andrew Kester, PE

Orlando, FL



This discussion brings up a point which I have discussed previously on t=

he list- that is to work to be the prime consultant for the owner and hi=

re the architect and others rather than work for the architect. I believ=

e that about 70% of all buildings in the U.S. are designed by engineers =

as the prime consultant.


Stan Scholl, P.E.

Laguna Beach, CA