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David, you didn't address Andrew's question -- What type of projects are you talking about?  Schools? Hospitals? Multi-housing? Sewage treatment plants? "Nucular" plants?  ;)


In a message dated 8/20/09 2:42:36 PM, dfisher(--nospam--at) writes:
We work directly for the owner on 80% of the projects we do.
The other 20%, we are a sub to the architect.
Ironically enough, those are the projects that are most difficult to get
Paid on.
I wonder why?

David L. Fisher SE PE
Senior Principal
Fisher and Partners
372 West Ontario
Suite 301
Chicago 60654
312.622.0409 (m)
312.573.1726 (f)

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Kester [mailto:akester(--nospam--at)]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:18 PM
To: seaint(--nospam--at)
Subject: re: being the prime/ Stan
Really? If true, I am completely shocked. From reading SE mags and my own experience, I would expect the exact opposite. Maybe 5-10% of building projects or less with the SE as the prime. I think in over 10 years of experience in Florida, the only time the company I was working for was the prime was at a A & E firm, which doesn’t qualify.
Now I have been the prime on specialty engineering and residential projects, but all very small projects.
I don’t mean civil, bridge, misc. structural projects, I mean buildings.
I applaud you working directly for the owner, I definitely think that can be a good way to do it. What types of projects are we talking about?
Andrew Kester, PE
Orlando, FL
This discussion brings up a point which I have discussed previously on t=
he list- that is to work to be the prime consultant for the owner and hi=
re the architect and others rather than work for the architect. I believ=
e that about 70% of all buildings in the U.S. are designed by engineers =
as the prime consultant.
Stan Scholl, P.E.
Laguna Beach, CA