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Re: Caltrans Sharp S-curve on the Bay Bridge claims first life

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I can see 2 out of 3 but texting .......like playing with a revolver with 1 bullet in the chamber till.........gotya and whomever else might be around.
 
Joe Venuti
Johnson & Nielsen Associates
Palm Springs, CA
 
In a message dated 11/10/2009 1:04:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, d.topete73(--nospam--at)gmail.com writes:
The 44 incidents on the S-curve are not because of the curve...  the curve is in place to maintain the bridge in operation until the new eastern span is in service in another few years...  Caltrans won't create a new, temporary tunnel through Yerba Buena Island to eliminate the S-curve.

As Ralph eluded to, the problem is the idiot drivers who text, speed, sip from their coffee tumblers, etc.  (I am guilty of all 3 whenever I cross the span...)


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM, <Jnapd(--nospam--at)aol.com> wrote:
Ralph
 
I agree with what you have said...........the questions is 44 accidents at the curve since 9-5-09
banked roadway at curve we have probably helped most of those accidents.  Why is now time to thing about better warning systems...............Cal Trans has to answer to nobody but themselves.
 
In a message dated 11/10/2009 11:32:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Rhkratzse(--nospam--at)aol.com writes:
Look, there's no way we, or Cal Trans, can protect everyone from him/herself.  There's always going to be that 1% -- or more accurately.00001% -- who either 1) don't care about their own life, much less anyone else's, or 2) are in such a hurry that they don't recognize what they're doing (often called "get-home-itis"), or 3) are half, or fully, asleep, or 4) feel they know better than CalTrans what speed *they* can handle in any given situation, or ... well, fill in your own rationalization. 

Society can never reduce its flaws to "zero," no matter how hard it tries.  OTOH there are about
37,000 deaths a year on US highways -- more than 100 a day!  And that's the lowest since 1961!  But we go into a tailspin if a couple of people a year jump off the Golden Gate Bridge, or if a person a week jumps in front of a CalTrain, or if a person a night is murdered in my hometown.  We obviously don't *really* care to reduce the incredible carnage on our highways.  Many of us don't bother to wear our seat belts (although we "belt-an-suspenders" engineers surely do, don't we?).  Few of us use our turn signals religiously to alert others to our intentions.   We have collectively decided that our individual convenience is more important than the 37,000 deaths/year.  Besides, "I haven't been killed yet."  ;) 

Sure, add reflectors; add big, bright, flashing "slow down!" signs; paint wider lane-dividing stripes; reduce the speed limit from 40 to 30 (but everyone familiar with the S-curve knows that it's still "safe" at 40, no matter what CalTrans says); add rumble strips -- just don't expect any of this to slow down the half-asleep driver or the meth-fueled truck driver (not referring to anyone in particular) or the "cowboy" driver who wants to test his skill without going to Le Mans!

Whew!  Vent over, back to work.   ;)

Ralph Hueston Kratz
Richmond CA USA

In a message dated 11/10/09 11:01:25 AM, ECVAl3(--nospam--at)aol.com writes:
I agree. It doesn't look like the curve is banked at all so the speed limit should be 30 mph to keep the traffic at 40 mph. What would have happened if the truck was driving in the inside lanes?
s.macie
 
In a message dated 11/9/2009 9:26:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, leisuresoul.avi(--nospam--at)gmail.com writes:

Its gross mistake of speed loving people, but What i feel is that if
its adviced to follow 40km/hr then also engineer should take a margin
of 10km/hr, to save those who love to break and bend rules !

On 11/10/09, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl <astaneh(--nospam--at)ce.berkeley.edu> wrote:
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>   Driver killed after driving off Bay Bridge
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>       By: Tamara Barak Aparton
>       <http://www.sfexaminer.com/bios/41456232.html>
>       Examiner Staff Writer
>       November 9, 2009
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> SAN FRANCISCO — A truck driver was killed this morning after losing
> control of his vehicle and plummeting over the side of the San
> Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge, according to the California Highway Patrol.
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> Read more:
> http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Driver-killed-after-driving-off-Bay-Bridge-69559822.html
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