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- From: "J. D. Coombs" <jcoombs(--nospam--at)coombsengineering.com>
- Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:07:54 -0600
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Late, but here are a few I use often. For me, my steel beams end up mostly being governed by deflection. So I start w/ solving for the req'd I For steel, w/ L/360, W is K/FT, L is feet. I req'd is- Uniform load: Simple beam W(L^3)/43 = .0238xWL^3 = ML/5.375 Cantilever = same as above x9.6 Point Load- Load at center- = PL^2/26.8 = ML/6.7 Cantilever = PL^2/1.68 For Triangular load across full span it's close enough to uniform load to use those. For other deflection parameters, multiply by appropriate ratio. Now, check for typos and get back to me by Friday... :o] Jerry D. Coombs, P.E. Coombs Engineering Services 214-287-4696 www.coombsengineering.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy White [mailto:admin(--nospam--at)structuralae.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:51 PM To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org Subject: Re: Structural Engineering Rules of Thumb Thanks for the Rules of Thumb. I have included them in the master list on StructuralPedia. If you come up with more let me know. - Jeremy Quoting Daryl Richardson <h.d.richardson(--nospam--at)shaw.ca>: > Vish, > > This is, indeed, a useful "rule of thumb"; I use it a lot. > It can, in fact, be improved upon. Consider the following items. > > 1.) Consider Defl. = m*L^2/(K*E*I) > > 2.) For uniform load, K = 9.8, ~ 10 as you have pointed out. > > 3.) For concentrated load at centre, K = 12. > > 4.) For equal but opposite end moments (M = constant throughout the > beam length). K = 8. > > Given the above, one can "inspect" the bending moment and ( > without calculation) arbitrarily adjust the K value. Perhaps you > can use K = 9, or K = 11, to get even better results from the "rule > of thumb" you have proposed. > > Regards, > > H. Daryl Richardson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: G Vishwanath > To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org ; steel steel > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:30 AM > Subject: RE: Structural Engineering Rules of Thumb > > > > Thanks for this initiative in the seaint list > Let me also make a humble contribution. > > Here is one rule of Thumb I have found useful during may > years as a designer of steel structures. > > If you need to do a quick check of the maximum deflection of > a steel beam subjected to some udl and some point loads, you can > use the following easy formula > > defln = M x L^2 / (10 x E x I) > > M = max BM > L = span > E = Elastic modulus > I = Moment of Inertia. > Take care to use a consistent set of units. > You will be surprised to note how close you are to the exact > value if you do a rigourous calculation. This is for beams with a > mix of udl and a few point loads scattered here and there along the > span. Don't use this for a standard beam with a standard udl only or > beams with just one point load. You can use it with beams with > three or more point loads and some udl of partial udl. > > > In nearly all cases the defln value using this simple > formula will be sufficiently accurate for a code compliance check > compared to the rigorous calculation for each point load and the udl > and the sum of these deflections. > > Built up girders are very common in India, where we have > very limited rolled sections available and the deepest is only about > 24" > For cooking up a suitable size for a built up girder I use > the following thumb rule. > > Let half the cross sectional area be taken up by the web > Each flange can use up 25 percent of the required area. > > You can decide an optimum depth for a built up girder using > the simple formula > optimum depth = 1.2 x Sqrt ( S / t) > > S = required sectional modulus for the given moment > t = web thickness. > Use these as a good value to start the design with and fine > tune it if needed. > > A third thumb rule I used is for choosing gusset thickness > in trusses with no fancy calculations > > Use 8 mm thick gussets for forces upto 20 tons > > 10 mm thick gusset for forces from 20 to 45 tons > > 12 mm thick gussets for forces from 45 to 75 tons > > 14 mm thick gussets for forces from 75 to 115 tons > > 16 mm thick gussets for forces from 115 to 165 tons > > 18 mm thick gussets for forces from 165 to 225 tons > > 20 mm thick gussets for forces from 225 to 300 tons. > > The forces are the maximum forces in the support diagonals > and usually the same thickness is adopted uniformly but in large > span trusses, we often reduce the gusset thickness as we approach > the mid span. > > These tips are from an old now dog eared copy of a Russian > Text on Steel structures called "Design of Metal structures" by > Mukhanov > > I purchased this book at the start of my professional career > in 1974 for the then princely sum of Rs 7.25 (approximately 15 > cents at today's prices but perhaps about 35 to 50 cents at 1974 > prices. I can't recall the exchange rate in 1974) > > Regards > Vish > > > > > ******* ****** ******* ******** ******* ******* ******* *** * Read list FAQ at: http://www.seaint.org/list_FAQ.asp * * This email was sent to you via Structural Engineers * Association of Southern California (SEAOSC) server. To * subscribe (no fee) or UnSubscribe, please go to: * * http://www.seaint.org/sealist1.asp * * Questions to seaint-ad(--nospam--at)seaint.org. Remember, any email you * send to the list is public domain and may be re-posted * without your permission. Make sure you visit our web * site at: http://www.seaint.org ******* ****** ****** ****** ******* ****** ****** ******** ******* ****** ******* ******** ******* ******* ******* *** * Read list FAQ at: http://www.seaint.org/list_FAQ.asp * * This email was sent to you via Structural Engineers * Association of Southern California (SEAOSC) server. 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