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Maybe he knows something the rest of us don't know.  hmmmm?
Gary

On 7/10/2010 1:37 AM, Joseph R. Grill wrote:

Mark,

But from what I hear the client wants an underground shelter in case of some catastrophe whatever that may be.

Joe

Joseph R. Grill, PE

Verde Valley Engineering, PLLC

email: VVEng(--nospam--at)cableone.net

*From:* Mark Johnson [mailto:markajohn(--nospam--at)yahoo.com]
*Sent:* Friday, July 09, 2010 7:52 PM
*To:* seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
*Subject:* Re: Underground shelter

Joe,

I can't help directly, but there must be tons of information out there. Houses that were 90% buried were popular in the late 70's. Also, I can't resist asking, what is the motivation for this?

Mark Johnson

--- On *Fri, 7/9/10, Joseph R. Grill /<vveng(--nospam--at)cableone.net>/* wrote:


From: Joseph R. Grill <vveng(--nospam--at)cableone.net>
Subject: Underground shelter
To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 11:51 AM

I have been ask to do a design for an underground shelter. For now I am doing some preliminary calculations. The shelter is basically a large concrete box structure 26’x54’ and about 10’ high. It will be constructed in an open excavation and then backfilled. The depth will be such that there will be 10’ of fill over the top of the structure. There will be an architect and I believe a mechanical engineer involved for the HVAC system. I have some questions for all those of you out there.

Dewatering has been discussed. At this point I would suspect it will take place over the roof of the structure and along the side walls probably at the base. I will pitch to top of the roof slab to aid in dewatering. This morning I thought that a saturated soil condition may develop over the top of the structure. I am not sure how deep a saturated condition would develop, but at this point there is not a geotechnical engineer involved. I would like to find some “general” values for various soils in a saturated condition as I don’t have any myself in my library. Does anyone out there have some general values for saturated soil weights that I might use for some preliminary designs? Also for lateral pressures?

Trying to save a little time for now.  So thanks,

Joe

Joseph R. Grill, PE

Verde Valley Engineering, PLLC

email: VVEng(--nospam--at)cableone.net


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