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Re: [2] Important Message: SEAINT Continues on LinkedIn SEAOSC group

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With this news, I will hold off on any Google Group.

Regards,

Scott

On Jun 2, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Casey K. Hemmatyar wrote:

> Dear Tarek, T. William and List members;
> 
> Due to your requests, I am currently evaluating a new Listserver that is
> almost identical to the current SEAINT, but more cost efficient and advanced
> technology. 
> Once I'm done evaluating, I will present it to the SEAOSC Board of Directors
> on Wednesday, June 6th. 
> I will do my best to make your wishes come true.
> Please send an email to seaint(--nospam--at)psfeg.org with "SEAINT" in the subject line. 
> Once the new Listserver is approved by the Board, we will start setting it
> up and will run it. 
> 
> Best Regards
> Casey K. Hemmatyar, SE
> SEAOSC Director
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tarek Mokhtar [mailto:TarekMokhtar(--nospam--at)earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:47 AM
> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
> Subject: RE: [2] Important Message: SEAINT Continues on LinkedIn SEAOSC
> group
> 
> Casey,
> 
> Google groups is a private forum for members only, same as Linkedin, just
> much easier. Is there any chance for SEAOSC to (please) support a Google
> account or should we do it on our own?
> 
> Thank You
> 
> Tarek Mokhtar, SE
> TMM Structural Engineers, Inc
> 31645 S. Coast Hwy
> Laguna Beach, CA., 92651
> 949-499-6254
> 949-499-2777 Fax
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Dear Members;
>> 
>> Thank you for valuable comments.
>> This current SEAOSC LinkedIn system is significantly more advanced than 
>> SEAINT Listserver.
>> Keep in mind that every single time a member posts a discussion on 
>> SEAOSC LinkedIn Group; all members receive an email notification link 
>> to that discussion.
>> There are many other benefits on new LinkedIn platform. Unlike SEAINT 
>> List Server, the new Archive info will be exclusively available only to 
>> SEAOSC LinkedIn members only and not public.
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Casey K. Hemmatyar
>> SEAOSC Director
>> http://www.seaosc.org/about_officers.cfm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jadair(--nospam--at)shwgroup.com [mailto:jadair(--nospam--at)shwgroup.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:26 AM
>> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
>> Cc: bill(--nospam--at)sesol.com
>> Subject: RE: [2] Important Message: SEAINT Continues on LinkedIn SEAOSC 
>> group
>> 
>> I think you hit the nail on the head with the "push" versus "pull", Bill.
>> I've been a member of LinkedIn for a number of years, and am a member 
>> of several LinkedIn groups, so I see the value of that.  However, I 
>> think moving to that kind of a format for SEAInt/SEAOSC will vastly 
>> diminish its usefulness.  While I am primarily a list lurker and only 
>> make occasional posts, I've benefited a lot from the dialogue that 
>> happens -- sometimes almost in real time -- because somebody sitting in 
>> an office somewhere was stumped on a problem and decided to post a 
>> question to the list, and somebody who had something to contribute saw 
>> the e-mail pop up and took a few moments to respond.  If you have to 
>> open a Web browser, log into your LinkedIn account, go to the group 
>> page, scan through the discussions, and decide if there's something you 
>> want to contribute, I imagine that the participation rate will
> significantly drop off.
>> 
>> Just my $0.02 worth.
>> 
>> -- Joel Adair
>>    SHW Group
>>    Plano, TX
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: T. William (Bill) Allen, S.E. [mailto:Bill(--nospam--at)AllenDesigns.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:43 PM
>> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
>> Cc: 'Williston L. Warren, IV-SE, SECB'
>> Subject: RE: [2] Important Message: SEAINT Continues on LinkedIn SEAOSC 
>> group
>> 
>> Casey -
>> 
>> Have you been following the dialog on this listserv? I can't recall 
>> anyone favoring LinkedIn or Facebook as a substation for the listserv.
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be better to get a consensus including gathering the 
>> opinions of those who actually use the medium for engineering discussions?
>> 
>> It wasn't too long ago that Bill Warren addressed the list and 
>> essentially said he would make happen whatever the users wanted. Did 
>> you include Bill Warren in your discussions?
>> 
>> Based on what I've read on the list, it appears to me that the more 
>> vocal users would like to try Google. I know NOTHING of that 
>> technology, but it seems to be the preference of the users. I believe 
>> the feature they like the best is the push technology instead of the 
>> pull technology of LinkedIn or Facebook.
>> 
>> Is this decision cast in stone or can you and your group reconsider the 
>> direction SEAOSC will take in this matter?
>> 
>> Thank you for all of your contributions to the association and the 
>> profession.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> T. William (Bill) Allen, S.E. (CA #S2607)
>> 
>> ALLEN DESIGNS
>> Consulting Structural Engineers
>>        32302 Camino Capistrano, #206
>>         San Juan Capistrano, CA 92675
>>    V (949) 248-8588.F (949) 209-2509
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Casey K. Hemmatyar [mailto:seaint(--nospam--at)psfeg.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:19 PM
>> To: seaint(--nospam--at)seaint.org
>> Subject: [2] Important Message: SEAINT Continues on LinkedIn SEAOSC 
>> group
>> 
>> Dear SEAINT List Server members:
>> 
>> Over the past few days the Board of Directors and President of SEAOSC 
>> have read your valuable comments posted here. We appreciate your 
>> comments and suggestions and we offer the following comments/responses;
>> - The list server maintenance cost for SEAOSC has been very significant 
>> each year. Although it may seem a simple automated task, it does 
>> require a substantial amount of professional work. This work was 
>> carried out by an outside (SEAOSC) software firm.
>> - We are currently working on the best way to make sure that the SEAINT 
>> archive is not lost and to disseminate its contents.  Once that is 
>> complete, we will announce via SEAOSC Group on LinkedIn.
>> - As the manager of the LinkedIn SEAOSC group, I will review the new 
>> membership requests and will try to process them promptly and on a 
>> daily basis.
>> - Posting a comment on LinkedIn is very easy.  Here are the steps;
>> 1- Sign up for a LinkedIn account by visiting www.linkedin.com. If you 
>> already have an account with LinkedIn please go to item 6 below.
>> 2- When filling out the pages on the 2nd step, LinkedIn may ask asks 
>> for your Email and Password. You may want to bypass this step by 
>> clicking the on the "Skip this step" on the bottom left hand side. If 
>> you do not bypass, Linkedin will access your email contacts and will 
>> send invitations on your behalf inviting them to join you on LinkedIn.
>> 3- Next in a few seconds you will receive an email from LinkedIn 
>> containing a link. You'll click on this link to confirm your email address.
>> 4- Next step will ask you to add new contacts. Again you may bypass 
>> this step by clicking the on the "Skip this step" on the bottom right hand
> side.
>> 5- Steps 4, 5 and 6 will ask you to follow some optional instructions, 
>> but you may bypass by clicking the on the "Skip this step". If you wish 
>> you may also click on "Skip" icon on the pages that follows, in order 
>> to bypass completion of your Profile.
>> 6- At this stage come back to this email and click on this link 
>> http://goo.gl/mNJhY (shortened url link for ease of use)
>> 7- Now click on "Join Group" icon to request your membership to SEAOSC 
>> "Structural Engineers Association of Southern California".
>> 8- At this stage, volunteers at SEAOSC will process new membership 
>> requests promptly.
>> 9- Once you become member, on your LinkedIn home page, click on the
> "Groups"
>> tab on the top. Click on the SEAOSC group, and then you can see all of 
>> the conversations taking place.
>> 10- To start a new discussion, type in your question/issue at the top 
>> of the screen.  To read another discussion, just click on it. To post a 
>> comment in an existing discussion, just type in at the bottom of the 
>> discussion. To Search past and archive discussions click on the "Search"
> tab on the top.
>> 
>> We are looking forward to the continued discussions on all matters of 
>> structural engineering.
>> Best Regards
>> Casey K. Hemmatyar, S.E.
>> SEAOSC Director
>> 
>> ***********************************************************************
>> *****
>> *****
>> Additionally, I'd like to request you to please see the following 
>> comments from Janah Risha, S.E. our SEAOSC President with respect to the
> List Server:
>> 
>> As you may know the SEAINT.ORG website and SEAINT list serve are owned 
>> and have been maintained by the Structural Engineers Association of 
>> Southern California (SEAOSC).  The List Server has served the members 
>> and the profession well for more than 10 years now.  However, its 
>> usefulness has been waning with the new communication tools available 
>> today such as LinkedIn.  Subsequently, the SEAOSC Board of Directors 
>> has decided to utilize the LinkedIn platform in order to continue the 
>> technical discussions that currently reside the SEAINT List Server.
>> By the same token I am pleased to announce that the SEAOSC LinkedIn 
>> discussion group is well established now and is becoming very active.  
>> Its membership is increasingly growing and presently we are at about 
>> 1,000 members. Many of us in the group are California registered 
>> Structural Engineers and are available for thought sharing and technical
> contributions.
>> There are many active discussions and beneficial topics being posted on 
>> daily basis. We strongly encourage you to join LinkedIn and join the 
>> Structural Engineers Association of Southern California discussion 
>> group
>> (http://goo.gl/mNJhY)
>> I want to take this opportunity to thank all who have posted and all who
>> have answered the posts over the years.   I am sure that the exchange of
>> information has been and will continue to be useful to all concerned 
>> and I look forward to your participation in the LinkedIn discussion group.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Janah Risha, S.E.
>> SEAOSC President, 2011-2012
>> 
>> 
>> 
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